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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Seakay » 04 Jan 2011, 10:47

^^
Yeah.. Ego > Up!
Hope that Higher could outsell Just Can't Get Enough and be their top 3 selling singles....
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 04 Jan 2011, 12:36

Yeah, like Jay said, the difference is just 1,000. But Up's sales aren't updated so it has probably sold more still.

On the other hand, Ego has been on the low places of the iTunes chart for quite a long time (same as Missing You) while Up hasn't, so I don't think the difference is too high.

JCGE should be around 260k or so, so Higher still has to sell another 20k-30k copies to outsell it. I hope it does sooner or later, it deserves to be Top3 with Up and Ego.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Charmingspice5 » 04 Jan 2011, 16:15

I think 'Higher' should be able to top JCGE at some point
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby mysterious » 06 Jan 2011, 08:23

I'm so glad Ego is going to become their best selling single, I love Up but Ego is better.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Seakay » 23 Jan 2011, 11:12

have HIGHER outsold JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH yet?
jay, sales update please....
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 26 Jan 2011, 03:55

I don't know, but I think Higher has already outsold Issues and I doubt it has outsold JCGE because it has been selling slowly on iTunes too, so its sales have increased too. I might be wrong, but I think both songs should be around 260k.

Headlines should have reached 150k already.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 26 Jan 2011, 06:48

I was debating whether to ask the Official Charts Company twitter if they would tweet information about how their singles rank, in order of sales. I'm not sure if they would, but they answer some people's requests.

They don't like to give sales information out, but asking for a rank from best to worst selling isn't sales information. If I'm on Twitter when the OCC account is tweeting, I'll ask.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 22 Sep 2011, 13:16

(thought it would be nice to bump this thread with the new update by Jay)

315,000 - Ego (#9)
311,000 - Up (#5)
295,000 - Higher (#10)
255,000 - Just Can't Get Enough (#2)
245,000 - Issues (#4)
200,000 - Missing You (#3)
167,000 - Notorious (#8)
162,000 - All Fired Up (#3)
160,000 - Forever Is Over (#2)
107,000 - If This Is Love (#8)
101,000 - Work (#22)

(updated: 17/10/2011)
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Veli » 22 Sep 2011, 14:47

Jay, why are the chart sales always so secretive? What's in it and for who not to announce them to the public? :confused:
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 22 Sep 2011, 15:32

This is what they say on the Official Charts Company site about it:

Can I find out sales information on specific records?
Sales information on releases are only available to business users, for business purposes - due to a confidentiality agreement with the record companies, the Official Charts Company is unable to supply sensitive sales information to members of the public, even for academic study. However, the BPI has been collating information about the UK recorded music industry since its inception in 1973. Their BPI Statistical Handbook uses a vast array of Official Charts data and is an excellent resource for students, researchers and journalists to establish overall market figures – a selection of some of the data available is shown below. To order a copy, visit http://www.bpi.co.uk


I don't really see why it matters, it's just numbers, and the fans love to know how well their favourite acts are doing. Music Week reveal some sales figures every so often, and fans can make good estimations while a song is in the charts, but lots of official figures (and entire data for one act) is rarely revealed.

Unfortunately only "industry insiders" get to access the information as a whole, apart from some lucky people who have friends in high places, lol. There's actual databases with how much everything has sold. What I'd give to be able to view it and share the data for our favourite acts!

For a while I was able to see what they sold while in the charts, and total it up (though once leaving the chart I had no idea), so that's why I knew what Notorious was selling every week. I don't get that information anymore (recent development), sigh. :( ( :D Oh well)
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Veli » 22 Sep 2011, 20:20

Thank you for explaining. Maybe the real reason is so that record labels can lie that certain artists sold much more than they did to make them sounds more successful :$

Like the crazy amounts we often hear about Forever or the Greatest Hits (or even some of the solo Spice albums) that we know just can't be true.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 23 Sep 2011, 15:05

I made a point no so long ago that passed totally unnoticed. We tend to make our estimations basing them on weekly sales information we get and such things, or aproximate totals that are given from time to time. But those sales are "chart eligible sales" if you get what I mean. If I order an album trough amazon.co.uk it won't count towards the UK chart and that sale won't be reflected on any information except that internal data base that Jay mentioned.

So when we make an estimation of an album selling X amount (like the infamous 4 million of Forever) we tend to not to believe it because it sold X in X country and Y in Y country and so on, but we never stop and think about all those overseas orders and imports that don't count towards any chart at all.

Obviously, they won't be that big to make an album go from 1.5 to 4 million, but in cases like Forever, were the total estimation was 3 million or so the most, it could well be possible that the 4 million figure is actually real.


With The Saturdays, who are a UK based act that only sells (physical) albums and singles in the UK, their total sales could be at least 30% higher of what we know because they indeed have fans overseas around Europe.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby mysterious » 23 Sep 2011, 16:19

^i agree with almost everything you've said - I just think that 30% is too much. it would probably be around 15%.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 23 Sep 2011, 17:29

1% :cool:
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby mysterious » 23 Sep 2011, 18:41

Ha, seriously?
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 23 Sep 2011, 19:39

I have no idea! :D

To be honest I'm not even sure the Official Charts Company collate that data. Well, I guess they do, but they're totally focused on UK sales and don't appear to care about the rest. I suppose the labels would be interested in the import sales though, so they may have their ways and means of finding that out.

I'd be so interested to get into that side of the music industry, the charts and sales (God knows it's something I'm quite passionate about), but I haven't a clue how to. :(
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 24 Sep 2011, 03:21

^yeah that's what I meant. The Official Chart Company doesn't use that data cos they only inform and post about the sales that count towards the charts, so at the end of they day they've probably sold more than what it's confirmed.

When I said the 30% thing I had the physical formats in mind. Since the UK customers have the stores to buy them and not everyone orders them trough online stores unless they get some kind of special thing for doing that.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 19 Oct 2011, 01:28

I think Notorious may be pushing 170,000 now - or at least 169,000. It sold 167,000 while in the chart, and now there's been 4 weeks since it left the chart. Just depends whether it's sold an average of 500 copies per week (500 x 4 = 2,000, taking it to 169,000) or 750 copies per week (750 x 4 = 3,000, taking it to 170,000).

I guess before the album goes on sale we can safely say the single has sold 170,000. When the album goes on sale I presume Notorious will re-enter the chart, so it'll be interesting to see if it can grow much more.

Doubt it'll have the strength to reach 200,000 in a hurry, lol.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 19 Oct 2011, 11:41

It's a shame because I think Notorious is among their best singles. I still listen to it quite often and I'm not tired of it. I still have the instrumental as my ringtone.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Paul! » 19 Oct 2011, 11:44

I LOVE Notorious now, I even went to buy it on the Dutch iTunes... yah. I didnt really like it at first, but I think it's in my top three of my fave Saturdays singles.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Stewie » 19 Oct 2011, 11:57

I guess it has a 'Missing You' kind of sales. It could reach 200,000 by May 2012.

It'd be good, because it would mean it sold as much as 'Missing You' despite little promotion, shitty on-air/on-sale strategy, and way smaller radio support.
If they built proper momentum, it could had passed 200,000 already.
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 07 Jan 2012, 21:26

MTV counted down the Top 10 best selling singles by The Saturdays today. I don't have MTV so I couldn't watch it for myself, and amazingly it seems only one person who tuned in actually took note of some of the sales - but unfortunately not all of them.

Anyway, here's the information that is known!

MTV wrote:01. 340,000 - Up
02. 330,000 - Ego
03. 305,000 - Higher
04. 275,000 - Just Can't Get Enough
05. 260,000 - Issues
06. 215,000 - Missing You
07. 185,000 - All Fired Up
08. Forever Is Over
09. Notorious
10. If This Is Love


MTV stated 'All Fired Up' had sold 185,000. This was its total on 4th December 2011, so it appears that date is the cut off for all of the sales above.

Although its sales figure wasn't noted down, 'Notorious' would have been on about 175,000 on 4th Dec. Presumably 'Forever Is Over' sandwiched in between that and All Fired Up on 185k could therefore be on a total of 180,000.

Here's my list:

Jay wrote:01. 340,000 - Up
02. 330,000 - Ego
03. 305,000 - Higher
04. 275,000 - Just Can't Get Enough
05. 260,000 - Issues
06. 215,000 - Missing You
07. 199,000 - All Fired Up [as of 01/01/12]
08. 180,000 - Forever Is Over
09. 177,500 - Notorious [as of 01/01/12]
10. If This Is Love
11. Work
12. 45,000 - My Heart Takes Over [as of 01/01/12]


I wish the 'If This Is Love' figure had been caught. :(
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby SpiceFan2008 » 07 Jan 2012, 21:46

I think it is on VIVA a few times in the coming weeks

If you do a search, you might be able to record it :)
It's supposed to be on twice by now, but they have put Katy Perry and Lady Gaga on instead!
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Jay » 07 Jan 2012, 22:07

Seems it's scheduled for tomorrow at 11am. *Sets alarm* lmao
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Re: UK Sales (Estimates)

Postby Javi » 08 Jan 2012, 00:34

wow at Up being 340k and Ego 330k already. They really have been seeling steady little by little during the last years. I'm surprised Higher hasn't sold that much more of 300k since it reached that mark months ago.

I guess All Fired Up will outsell Missing You in a few months and I guess Notorious will outsell Forever Is Over sooner or later.

It's sad that they won't have a 300k single for this album. :(
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